It is offical: Hampton Terrace is a Neighborhood!
Shannon Edge
Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM
To: independentww@yahoo.com
Cc: Carla Jackson , Chip Fletcher , Santiago Corrada , Shawn
Good-morning Wesley,
Thank you very much for your patience while we audited and reviewed all of the information submitted to Santiago and myself on January 19, 2010. Based on the information and the audit performed, please find attached a letter officially recognizing Hampton Terrace Neighborhood Association. A hard copy of this letter is also being mailed to you.
Please note in the letter the next steps. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Copied in this e-mail is Shawn Hicks, president of Old Seminole Heights to let him know. In addition, I have copied Carla Jackson, Neighborhood Liaison who handles all of our GIS mapping in an effort for her to update our neighborhood map with the new Hampton Terrace boundaries.
Congratulations and thank you for all of your work which made the review and decision easy for us.
Warmest Regards,
Shannon
Shannon Edge, Director
Office of Neighborhood & Community Relations
City of Tampa
813-274-7835
shannon.edge@tampagov.net
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Congratulations Mr. Warren and Interim Officers. Let me start off by asking what your views are on Transparency?
Who is Mr. Warren? How can he be President of a Neighborhood Assoc. if I don’t even know who he is? Where does he live? This just “Don’t seem Right”!! Who are the other officers? Where do they live? How long are there terms? Do they have a website that is responsive to our questions?
You people never stop do you #2?
Congratulations to all the folks in Hampton Terrace! The first group to leave OSHNA. There is hope for others now too. I hear The Oaks of Riverview are next up.
#3- Whatever do you mean?
How does the process work now. Do all neighbor withing HT automically roll over now? Will they have elections to elect the board or will Mr. Warren automatically lead for first year. Many of our very active leaders are in the HT boundaries.
6 – Many of your active leaders are the very reason why there is now a Hampton Terrace Neighborhood Association.
As for the process, I believe that there will first be a general meeting and then elections must be held within a reasonable period of time.
This truly is a sad day for HT. Their fight to get away from OSHNA has nothing to do with the way OSHNA is ran but instead Mr. Warren long fight to make sure the neighborhood is not protected by becoming a historic district. Mr Warren and the other vocal for HT will stop at nothing to make sure there is no Local Historic District for Hampton Terrace. However, with the order in which they are now moving, it gives those interested in the Historic District the ability to unite, run for office and proceed with the Historic District. Look at many of the people who will now be part of HT. They are vocal, committed and active. They can organize, gain support, have financial resources and can help build HT into a respectable association.
#7 Please explain yourself in detail so the neighborhood understands the motives for this split.
What does this new organization hope to accomplish?
It absolutely has everything to do with how OSHNA handled the LHD issue. OSHNA took a position without soliciting input from those most affected. It was yet another example of a small cadre of vocal elitists thinking they knew what was best and damn be those who thought differently. That same cancerous mindset pervades OSHNA on virtually every issue and has led to the fragmentation and withering of what was once a vibrant and activist community organization.
No, what Mr. Warren did was go around and intimidate people into signing his petition. He certainly hasn’t told them what his group is about. That they don’t want anyone else’s say for Lake Roberta except those people who live on the lake. The joke is on them. There is no way Hampton Terrace will allow the commercial lot owners of Hampton Terrace to run this area into the ground.
Pot meet kettle. Both sides had/have an agenda, but OSHNA had no business taking a side. A comment in an earlier discussion on the topic summed it up. Pardon the paraphrasing but the gist of it was “Time to be the parent and do what’s best.” And you wonder why there’s opposition? What hubris to make such an assumption, but then again that’s exactly what has led to this fracture. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before stumbling.
Problem is OSHNA, as the representative organization for the neighborhood should not have had a preconceived position before getting neighborhood input.
Problem is HTNA has stooped to those same perceived tactics in pushing their agenda forward to the detriment of the HT neighborhood. Do you think they will fund the lighting of the sign? They’ve not been a part of the efforts to improve the lake – why would they show now? They’ve been ask and continually noticed regarding meetings and to be a part of those discussions – no show -but they have issues with those efforts. They have even been specifically ask if they would like to be a part of the clean up and planting in the median but despite their bluster and promises they’ve been a no-show.
I’m not expecting anything positive to this blinders-on approach to “improvements” for HT.
It all boils down to what the residents want. I hope HTNA steps up and is a representative neighborhood organization. Now they can flourish or fail on their own. It really is a matter of what the people who live there want and are willing to work for.
8 – You are right, this gives Hampton Terrace an opportunity to unite and focus on the unique issues that affect that area of the neighborhood. It also gives OSHNA an opportunity to address parts of the neighborhood that have been neglected in the past few years because of the drama going on in HT.
As for Warren, strategically he did not do anything that any one of us would not have done to protect a firmly held belief. He formed the association and worked diligently to get the necessary signatures for recognition. In the end he had nearly as many signatures in Hampton Terrace as OSHNA has members in its entire (former) boundaries.
While there have been some remarks about the tactics employed, my understanding is that the city randomly contacted names off the petition to determined if they were valid signatures and gauge the actual support for the petition. Given the political sensitivity of carving out HT from OSHNA, had even one mentioned scare tactics I am sure the city would never have approved the official recognition.
My question is why didn’t OSHNA go door to door like Warren apparently did? Or why didn’t OSHNA make a more concerted effort to address the concerns of Warren and his followers? After speaking with him, it was apparent to me that this whole situation could have been avoided.
In the end, this is a cautionary tale of marginalizing, excluding or ignoring those who you were elected to represent but with whom you disagree.
Actually, I believe that I did hear that when Susan was president of OSHNA that she actually met with Wesley and the “issues” that he had were either not expressed or when they were, were items that resulted from city action and out of the influence of a neighborhood association.
#15 – Doreen DiBona, Eric Krause and I met once with Wesley. Some of his complaints were, in my opinion, off the wall and not relevant. But, I continued to dialogue with Wesley and others in his group both directly and indirectly. Over time, as he began to trust me, he opened up more. He wanted HT to represent itself not be represented by people who never spoke to them and when they did belittled them. He did not want an LHD and wondered by OSHNA agreed to support the idea without actually polling the residents who were to be affected. He also liked HT the way it was and didn’t want it to change.
I, unfortunately, felt he had some valid points (input from the residents on the LHD) and offered a solution that he said would work as did others in his group. BUT, the board voted my idea down and even accused me of agreeing to things without board approval. I didn’t agree to or promise anything. I just wanted to know that if it was passed by the board would it work.
The issue is if more than 50% of the residents of HT want their own association then they should be allowed to have one. When the elections are held if the majority vote for new faces, so be it.
It is a sad day for OSHNA but one that has been brewing since before I was President.
Susan Long
Susan – I agree, if 51% percent of the residents want out, it should be granted. The problem I have is how it was achieved through deception, outright lies and preying on the elderly. Had WW been slightly honest, he would not have gotten many signatures.
Also, other than spreading lies and fear mongering, what has he done for Hampton Terrace. I live here, and I have never been invited to any of their secret meetings. How can he claim to speak for an area, when so many have purposely been left out of the process?
I highly doubt this is over.
17 – It is comments like yours that make me glad that HT is out of OSHNA. HT residents need to fight it out amongst themselves. OSHNA’s attention has been focused on HT to the detriment of other areas for far too long.
What is the future of OSHNA members residing in HT? Anyone have any predictions?
I would suspect that unless you own a business in OSH you won’t be a member of OSHNA anymore legally.
My predicition is that OSHNA will admend their bylaws to allowthose outside of the new official borders of OSHNA to be full members with voting and board sitting rights.
When will we be getting ur first newsletter HTNA? Really looking forward to that. There are a lot of changes that I would like to see around here now that we are controlling our own shots. Right?
Code enforcement has been really ignored in HT for a long while and I, for one, would like to see vast changes in that area. Will one of the interim officers be serving in that capacity?
You bet 23, I heard that Jim Kwid will be heading up the code issue in H.T.N.A. which I was pleased to know. He does a great job for our area and had continued to do so after he resigned from OSHNA quite sometime ago. I’m willing to give our new neighborhood association a chance to bloom and I’m looking forward to the new born era for Hampton Terrace.
Susan-
As per your earlier post, perhaps, you could share some of those “valid points” the locals had with OSHNA and what the proposal suggested ,that you helped construct ,to OSHNA that was voted down by the board at that time.
If all of the locals here in HT had the opportunity to consider those details, then maybe we could understand more of what’s going on this sad day. I was under the impression that the closed meeting held in HT was directed to you as the President of OSHNA at that time and many of the topics discussed in that meeting have not been a concensus of all of the residents.
Please help us begin to understand what the real issues are. Perhaps some of the rumors could be dispelled.
The new developments in Hampton Terrace now present new opportunities. A chance to go Pedestrian Friendly in every opportunity. Lake Roberta is the perfect place to start, especially considering the committee gathered the names of over 40 locals that could agree on one thing at the very least…
We need to see significant changes in this community center. Really hope the new HTNA officers are on board with this. Why would Lake Roberta not benefit from this nationwide trend in improving our neighborhoods?
And not a peep from OSHNA .
Now that the President and Vice President of OSHNA are no longer eligible to hold office, what happens, will there be a special election?
In the meantime, those of us in 49%+- percentile w/in the HT boundary that have preferred not to become embroiled in the political morass or cauldron of the past year(s) or so are wondering what is going on here within HT?
How does this impact our relationship with OSHNA? Why haven’t we, the collective community of Hampton Terrace, heard from the City? What about the apparently self-appointed Officers of the newly minted HNTA and their explicit lack of communication with th the ENTIRE HT district? When do they plan to roll-out their new agenda to ALL of us w/in HT? Do we have an equal voice in whom we choose to represent us w/in the infrastructure of this new HNTA? If so, how? How will they communicate with us? Who will advocate for HT in democratic fashion? Do we have to ascribe to their version of the HT gospel to be a part of the decision making body?
I find the whole scenario absolutley asinine for those of us w/in this new “HNTA” that have kept our heads down in light of the volatile battletfields of the past year(s), partly in shame that some are not apparently interested in what is best for the community as a whole and partly because we just want to focus on making HT a great place to live, no matter who has the title of President or what we call ourselves or how we affiliate HT in the bigger picture.
Oh, and why have we not seen this newly minted leadership of the “HNTA” involved in anything remotely connected to community engagement within the confines of the boundaries of HT?
Think Lake Roberta clean up. Think Pumpkin Patch. Think Christmas Parade/caroling. Think. Where were “they”, this new HNTA leadership, while all of these community-building events were transpiring w/in HT?
I’m just perplexed. And wondering.
29: Where were they? why holding secret meetings of course
Is this one of those “You Can’t Handle the Truth” situations we hear so much about?
Once again I just hear what if’s and past problems. I’m hoping we can stop with the past and focus on the future. There is a new neighborhood association. That’s the reality. People have worked hard to get there. I congratulate them on their efforts and I offer my support for the FUTURE. It’s time to move forward. It really doesn’t matter what has happened; it does matter how we all go forward.
29 – those are all valid questions, but you won’t get an answer. HTNA only cares about 3 or 4 peoples agenda. Their agenda does not include anything good. I will say this – their newly elected secretary will be producing hilarious minutes.
32 I take issue with your phrase “people have worked hard”. I see it, as an active resident of the neighborhood of HT, as a few people with an agenda pushing forward. There was no community outreach other than scare tactics and inaccurate statements to gain signatures. I know, I’ve had concerned neighbors come and ask me about those statements. There have been no community meetings to discuss the proposed changes, no interactions with these new self-selected “Community” representatives. No fliers, no notice, no door to door discussion. Wow, much like the stance they accuse those of pushing the local historic district haven taken – pot meet kettle.
How is this change helping my neighborhood when it is covered in secrecy? I’m in agreement with post number 29. While I’ll agree that OSHNA was most certainly broke (as in not working) amputation of the limb rather than a cleansing and antibiotics to address the infection is an extreme measure.
I’ve heard that the newly “self-selected” association representatives just want to get back to what the neighborhood was and I’ll agree. Yet, I have to ask about those events that started as HT neighborhood events – Pumpkin Parade, Christmas Carolers, Santa float, even the signage at Lake Roberta – all events originally initated by the neighborhood and eventually funded by OSHNA to keep those neighborhood traditions alive – what about these neighborhood events that will no longer take place without board funding? Let’s not even mention the loss of a raised neighborhood profile via inclusion in the annual neighborhood home tour – is our new representation going to fund and run a tour of HT? Wouldn’t know – haven’t heard a thing from them.
I and a committee of neighbors (10-12 per meeting) have put many hours into getting a $6,200 grant for improving Lake Roberta that is now thrown into jeopardy because those improvements need to be paid for and then reimbursed to the association -does HT have $6,200 to fund – we as a neighborhood wouldn’t know as there has been no interaction. I’ve been told that the new self appointed president doesn’t want any changes at the lake so I’m assuming the efforts of those that have done clean ups and outreach to multiple city departments to make positive improvements begin to happen are now worthless but I wouldn’t know as there has been no outreach by those self-appointed to represent my neighborhood.
I’m sorry for this long ramble but I think this blinders on approach is in the worst interest of the neighborhood. I’m pissed and I’m waiting for answers from this self-appointed representation. The new President, VP and Secretary all know me and they all have my e-mail yet I’ve not heard a thing from them.
I, along with many of my neighbors that have selflessly and tirelessly put time and effort into improving the neighborhood want to know – what is their intent with the new and improved secret association – haven’t heard a word………
Respectfully,
Greg Barnhill
1202 E Clifton
Who are the self appointed leaders. First of all, if there is no election this group will jeopardize losing the status through the city even before they begin. We, HT residents” can show up in mass to elect representatives who truly want to better the neighborhood. If we push and fight for the election we can make sure we are represented.
I’ve been told Pres- Wesley Warren, VP – Jim Kwid and Sec – Gail Davis
36 – you just made me throw up in my mouth. Please warn me next time you post.
Actually if that is true, they could be revoked by the city. To be recognized they must accept nominations and hold and elections. Gail is the Shawn of HT.
WTF? – Shawn is the Shawn of HT and Gail is the Gail of HT
I, for one, would look to the city for holding this group accountable for the the responsibilities they have taken on here in HT. All residents need to be communicated with and arrangements made for immediate elections. Announcements for nominations and meetiing locations need to be reveald as soon as possidble. NOT BY AND BY!!! Many OSHNA members that live within the boundaries were actively engaged in improvement projects and would now like to know the status of these efforts.
Who do we contact at the city to voice our concern with the way this was done behind so many of our backs? I sounds like the people who did sign did so under pressure and with false knowledge.
I think not so much behind your backs, but while your head was buried in the sand. This was not just foreshadowed, but all but broadcast for the past year or so. HTNA has had people attending THAN for quite some time. This was happening, anyone who has paid attention could see it, and just like the CVS issue, instead of being proactive, rocked back on your heels you can just try to react.
Anyone who lives in the HT boundaries must be eligible for membership if HTNA is going to retain recognition by the City. Pay your dues, get active and make your organization the organization the neighborhood wants it to be.
Or wait, better yet, whine indignantly on the blog about how you were duped.
I think it will be funny if the very group Wesley created elects a pro historic district board to help protect our homes. Let’s unite!
42 – Or should I call you “Troll-boy”? I don’t think anyone was “duped”….I think everyone was a victim of some of the most paranoid and dishonest people in Central Tampa.
If I remember correctly, Gail Davis has been harping on the lack of neighborhood transparencey for the past year. I’m having a hard time understanding how her high morals could let her be a part of an organization that has had ZERO public meetings, ZERO public agenda, ZERO outreach, and what was that last thing????? Oh yeah, ZERO elections.
You tell me to pay my dues? Tell me Troll-boy, WHO do I pay them to. Where are they, who are they, what are they? As far as I can tell, HTNA is a mythical organization.
If ever there were a justified cause for legal action by the OSHNA board. The HTNA was created without any formal public hearing and input. The scare tactics to get the names on a petition should be cause enough. By Shannon Edge sending the letter, she has now put the city in a situation that legal action could be taken against them as well. Before recognizing any group as an official association, when one is already in place, should require a formal hearing open to all neighbors. This is one case I home OSHNA hires Chamberlain to actually do some work.
Gail and Wesley both have shown a stop a nothing approach to get their point across. I live in HT and want no part of their group. I want to stay with OSHNA and fix the issues there.
I would think that since you have paid dues to OSHNA, they are still bound to either fight on your behalf or refund all the membership fees for all HT members.
A table at the upcoming Fresh Market to give out information is in order.
The same diligence that WW took over the years to ask people who didn’t care one way or another to sign his petition is now needed to really educate the people and get them to come vote at the upcoming HTNA election.
Greg Barnhill for president of HTNA for starters!
When and where is the voting meeting? What are their bylaws?
When WW went door to door over the last few years, I am sure he skipped some strategic households but these households now need to become HTNA members immediately! OSHNA, you are now forced to do the outreach program you never did and think outside your clique.
So, #44, like I said you’re just going to whine indignantly on the blog. Figured as much. You quite obviously have no concept of trolling. Trolling isn’t just someone disagreeing with you or calling BS when something is BS. What was offered was a real world solution along with a bit of a wake up call that this was going on right in front of your nose, but you and those around you chose to ignore it.
I don’t know what faction if any you belong to, but this didn’t happen overnight. This has been brewing for a while. There is no foul here unless you’re calling your neighbors irresponsible, ignorant, or too stupid to decide for themselves. 53% of the citizens of Hampton Terrace, your neighbors signed on to this. That’s over 1 out of every two people who live around you, and you want to say this happened behind your back? Do you not talk to your neighbors? Over half of them spoke to the people who started HTNA, and not one of these people you claim were bullied spoke up to cry foul. Get over yourself friend. Get your emotions in check and approach things rationally and intelligently. If HTNA does not meet city guidelines their recognition will be revoked, plain and simple. Does not one of you know Mr. Warren, or the other officers? Not one of you can speak to them and find out where you and HTNA go from here? Deal in facts instead of emotional outrage and self-righteous indignation.
I think we are waiting for those that made the effort over years to actually reach out to the 49% they did not approach.
That doesn’t sound like a very productive approach if your true goal is bettering your neighborhood. That is if you believe that a neighborhood association is actually required to get things done. Now, of that I’m not convinced myself.
if they did not reach out to the whole neighborhood in their efforts then how would contact be made? Sometimes a neighborhood association is a necessary evil when dealing with city departments.
The officers are your neighbors. Some of them surely read the blog. OSHNA officers must know how to get in touch with at least Mr. Kwid since he was code enforcement chair at one point. Mr. Barnhill knows them, and his address is listed above. I would imagine that the City liaison must have contact information for them. I would say it’s safe to assume that even the email address published above as the very topic sparking this discussion independentww@yahoo.com would work. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
48 – I don’t know how to make this ANY clearer: HTNA got their signatures without operating out in the open. Read back through this blog and look at all of the various complaints about HTNA and how they operated.
I know you are not going to speak without bias, but answer two questios:
Why was there no public forum or Q/A session offered by HTNA?
Why was there no election?
I have a hard time understanding how they plan to be taken seriously, especially considering some of their members total lack of neighborhood involvement
Lastly, you are sadly mistaken if you think no one is crying foul. There is no emotional outrage and self-righteous indignation here, just stating what I have been told by two people who signed. I would encourage YOU to start dealing with the facts.
Legally they can’t pick officers without having an open forum. I think Shannon Edge should answer questions as to why no forum was held. I would bet the majority of signatures are people that would have signed either way. The ones who will never attend one meeting. Will never become a member. Will do nothing. They signed because someone came to the door. I am fine with HTNA forming. I just don’t like the way it was formed. I have been here 18 years, active in OSH and not once did my doorbell ring. I never had a notice sent to my home and I never received a notification. I am for the Historic District and have been vocal in supporting it. Maybe that would explain them avoiding my front door.
Maybe OSH or others will help fund the printing of postcards that we can hand deliver to all HT residents that tell the truth.
* Increased Property Values
* Tax breaks
* incentives
* No added cost to current residents
Here is an interesting assignment. Google “Historic Districts” or “Historic Districts are bad”.
Very rarely will you find an article talking about how bad a historic district is. I found one. By in large, they are all positive from people who were once skeptical. Don’t you think that if the majority of sites are promoting them than they can’t be that bad? I found one site from a “Libertarian” who only objected because they said it was government interference.
53, Heresay and conjecture. I’m not sure why you keep trying to make this argument about me with the personal direction of your comments, I don’t live in HT. I’m just suggesting that the people who can answer the questions are identifiable and easily contacted. I’m also not sure how people canvassing the neighborhood collecting signatures from over half of the residents can be considered subversive and secretive. What has happened here is the naysayers were caught with their pants down, and are now frustrated and outraged.
I would absolutely agree that most of the signators are likely indifferent or even detached from neighborhood issues, but the group that took the time to solicit them got that input and can count that vote. They still represent the majority of your neighborhood. If the majority of your neighborhood doesn’t want this or care enough either way, then if you want to catalyze change, it is your responsibility to change their minds or capitalize on their apathy as politicians have been doing for ages. All this threat of lawsuits is nonsense unless someone was truly strong-armed or threatened. If OSHNA and/or the people pushing for the LHD took the time and invested the energy to objectively inform, listen to feedback, and open a respectful dialogue with the entire community being affected, HTNA would never have had legs to begin with.
What I find interesting is the credit given to this small group of people while lambasting them. They managed to work the system and pull off this coup right under everyone’s nose, and no one except them, the City liaisons, and the people who signed the petition had any idea. Sounds like they could give the CIA some pointers.
I’ve been hearing references to the neighborhood “getting back to the way it used to be”, well my recollections of the conditions that prevailed then were not exactly what I would call better. Lake Roberta and signage median were in deplorable condition. There was hardly a liviing plant around the perimeter of the lake and there was no signage or historic column nor a living plant in that area. Many of the houses were in disrepair and burglar bars were in great number. 7/11 on the corner of Powhattan had pulled out of the neighborhood and there was rumor that even Publix was considering the same.
Through the efforts of many in this neighborhood I have seen dramatic improvements over the past two decades (which by the way happens to be the number of years we have been recognized as a National Historic District), what a coincidence Huh. Now that we have come to the point of considering a Local designation, why is it that a “handful” of residents can claim that it would be bad for the neighborhood? Has it been bad for the Local Historic District on the East side by Hillsborough High School up to Hanna? Everyone that I know living in that area seems happy and I believe most would agree that it has had a favorable influence on their homes, their lives, and property values.
So, I ask you, why would it not be in our best interest here in HT if it has had such widespread support and acceptance nationwide? Could the new HTNA officers chime in on these topics. If not, then I must assume you are accepting these observations are valid and that you would agree .
I’m surprised about the “behind our backs claim”. Secession/LHD has been a topic over the years, at OSHNA meetings, and on Blue. HTNA incorparated, filed their intent with the city, and was recognized by THAN. There was more active discussion about HTNA last Oct when all the signs where posted for the Historic Preservation Commission meeting. Only a decapitated ostrich could have missed it cuz even an ostrich with its’ head buried in the sand would have heard the drum beat of secession. Anyone who attended the HPC meeting, saw it on CTTV that night or the repeat the following Saturday should have had some inkling how close HTNA was to becoming a reality. HT residents also had the benefit of being noticed about HPC -how did they not understand what was being said by the attorney at that meeting? I don’t live anywhere near HT, but have been well aware of the HT topics (LHD, HTNA) for quite some time. Going to Publix, we saw the signs for the HPC meeting which sparked curiosity and therefore watched meeting. -so even though the meeting was about Historic Preservation, a lot more than that was apparent.
The HTNA attorney mentioned their petition and signatures.
Hopefully, if the funds haven’t already been approved or set aside in the 2010 budget, this OSHNA board will have one of their infamous secret meetings and vote to approve the funds to cover the the expenses for the lake that the grant will reimburse.. as well as funds for some of the other ongoing projects in that area. Even an established NA like SSH or SESH would have a hard time covering those expenses, so a brand new NA will have zip, nada, zilch in their coffers for quite sometime. The good efforts of those individuals who also work toward the greater good of SH should not come to a stop because of a boundary line being redrawn and because the OSHNA board may have been slow to react.
-Call it a a housewarming gift for the activist neighbors who have put so much time into the lake and providing the setting for the rest of us to enjoy the pumpkins & caroling events.
What was is done. Look forward and work together. Godspeed.
How much does it cost to become a member of HTNA? I heard it was FREE. Is this correct? REALLY!! Ya know, I just can’t help but think that a good chunk of that OSHNA treasury was directly and indirectly there because of the active residents of Hampton Terrace. Now that we’re broke as a church mouse , I suppose we can be thankfurl to those who separated us from those hard earned bucks. Thanks for this opportunity to be one of the first to put my two cents into the HTNA coffer. How do you plan on getting our treasury jump started? Or is it to sputter and stall?
If we, residents of HT, desired to “join” this new HTNA via membership fees, how do we do so? To whom to we make our checks payable to? How much are the dues? If there are no dues, how we will we sustain the Associaton? How will we fund the betterment of Hampton Terrace? How will we pay the light bill to light the gateway entrance and signage?
Will there be open forums? Will there be an election of officers? Will there be regular meetings? What is the vision and mission of HTNA? Will we, the home owners of HT, be involved in defining the vision and mission of HTNA?
Will the grassroots efforts of HT neighbors to improve Lake Roberta be supported? Will the organizers show up and support such efforts?
You don’t have to answer all the questions at once. A few at a time would be a great place to start as we enter this new era together.
Thus far, I’ve yet to receive a communication of HTNA as to next steps. This concerns me, as I’m sure it would any rational home owner within the Hampton Terrace boundaries. Is it really incumbent upon us to track you down to ask these questions? Didn’t you choose to represent us to the City on your own volition? I’m sure you have prepared a strategic plan as to how you would share what this action would mean for ALL in Hampton Terrace and what OUR next steps would be as we move forward together. You did, didn’t you?
I somewhat feel it somewhat incumbent upon you to communicate next steps with us , again, as you chose to represent HT in it’s entirety. However, I’m willing to ask the next time we cross paths- it just seems as if the process is now reversing itself quickly if that is what is required (as suggested earlier).
Obviously, those who filed this request knew this was coming and that there would be expecations from HT home owners if this was approved. That time is now.
Now that your request has been approved, your HT neighbors are waiting. And watching. And wondering. And desire to be involved.
We just don’t know how. How do we become involved? It appears that there has been a (perhaps unintentional) veil of silence from those who have filed the request since it’s approval. Not a good omen nor strategic first step. Surely your only desire was not to merely break away from OSHNA? Or solely focues on somehow preventing an LHD? Perhaps you are just overwhelmed with a barrage of inquiries from those desiring to be involved and that is why we have not heard from you? I assure you your neighbors are interested in a holistic, active and engaged neighborhood association.
So, organizers, yes, you’ve raised the bar with your actions here in Hampton Terrace. Yes. YOU have raised the bar. Most definitely. In turn, your neighbors now challenge you to step up to the plate and at the very least communicate with the entire neighborhood that you self-selected to represent to the City with the filing of your request. Your neighbors have expectations. No surprise to you, I hope.
When shall we hear from you? Will we? What shall you say? When? Where?
In the absence of communication of any sort, the HT neighbors can bring a chair to the lawn of the self elected president and call him out for questions. Make sure to have the press there too, or a video camera rolling so it can be posted to the Internet for all to see and hear.
HTNA is solely about opposition to LHD: That’s what is on their website:
“A grassroots advocacy group of homeowners living in Hampton Terrace working for the residents protection and property rights of our neighborhood, against the usurping of our rights by OSHNA to vote on a local historical neighborhood designation in Seminole Heights, Tampa.”
hamptonterracepro(dot) org
I would encourage the homeowners of HT to contact the office of Shannon Edge (Neighborhood Liaison to the Mayor) and express you satisfaction/dis-satisfaction of this circumstance. You may contact her though the address given above on the letter addressing Mr. Warren.
If you have not been in the neighborhood long enough to know , every home owner was contacted by the city using U.S. Mail to inform them the area known as Hampton Terrace was being considered for a Local Historic District and all were invited to attend at least two meetings with with pertinent information and adequate question/answer sessions. Since that time workshops were conducted and research efforts have been taking place over several years now. Guidelines have not yet even been determined so why would the residents of Hampton Terrace want to cut funding for such efforts. We have the support of the Historic Preservation Commission, and City Council, need I go on. Why this obstructionism? Is it constructive and taking HT to a better place?
I am all for us leaving the OSHNA umbrella. I welcome out own group. I will however, lobby and fight to make sure the association focuses on my needs and what is best for the neighborhood. The goal of any association. I find that the LHD is for the better good of our neighborhood. I will fight for this as well. The one thing this has done for me is to wake me up to show that an organized few can make huge changes. Wesley and Gail have not been the most active members, but proved to be effective here. We as a more vocal group can regroup and make sure we take control of the group we are forced to accept. We can make sure our new association has a valued leader who has the best interest of the association in mind and not a personal agenda.
#63- How do you determine if the person running for office has a personal agenda? What personal agendas were interferring with us here in HT before this coup d’e tat? In order to reveal a personal agenda one would have to know the candidate. I don’t really know Wesley, Gail, or Jim., but I was forced into accepting their leadership. It’s not because I haven’t been active in the community or the city at large for that fact.Funny how this works. Isn’t It? A real “knee slapper” I’d say.
This comment is for those who want to sit back and wait for HTNA to approach them, or ask why should I have to track them down to get answers. When I moved to Seminole Heights OSHNA did not approach me. I went looking for ways to get involved and discovered them. Talk to most of the people in the neighborhood and they don’t even know OSHNA exists. It’s been around what 15 years? The City of Tampa did not send me literature regarding ways to contact my elected officials. Though it takes a minimal amount of effort to find, it still takes effort on my part. Before the Internet the best you could hope for is a few government pages in the Phone Book and maybe an article once in a while in the paper. The point is, if you want to be involved you do what you can to be involved.
In a perfect world HTNA should be proactive in their outreach, but then again so should the previous organization have been. We don’t live in a perfect world. If you’ve made real efforts to get these answers and have been snubbed, then feel free to complain, but if you have the best interests of the neighborhood at heart, at least make the effort and give things a chance. Not to keep harping on OSHNA, but I have not heard of any information or guidance to their affected members from them on the issue either. How does this affect membership in OSHNA? Can one be a member of both?
#56- Are you refering to the “Naysayers” in the mirror? You do live in the neighborhood the last time I checked WW.
What a constructive and mature response 66. I can see any discussion will be full of mutual respect and understanding.
Incorporated by James N Kwid, Wesley G Warren, Hampton Terrace Neighborhood Association, Inc. is located at 1001 E Clifton St Tampa, FL 33604. Hampton Terrace Neighborhood Association, Inc. was incorporated on Saturday, April 18, 2009 in the State of FL and is currently active. Wesley G Warren represents Hampton Terrace Neighborhood Association, Inc. as their registered agent.
REALLY !!! Does this address belong to anyone we know? Is this where we’ll be having our first meeting?
64, a personal agenda is when a person would run for office or create change based up on a personal item/issue that they want to control the outcome.
For example, with Wesley and Gail, They have been extremely vocal about the LHD for HT. They will do a kill the LHD at any cost. In addition, Wesley has also been vocal about the Lake (No benches, etc). By them splitting from OSHNA, they are creating an outlet where they can perpetuate their “personal agenda”. The outcome of a personal agenda is irrelevant of whether it is in the best interest of the neighborhood, only what is wanted by the individual. Does this help?
#70 youre describing virtually every side of every issue. It’s always personal agendas. Promoting the LHD just happens to fit with your own, and in your estimation think it is better for the neighborhood. But, just because you believe it doesn’t make it so. The other side thinks the same thing, that not having an LHD is more in line with their idea of what’s good for the neighborhood. But what’s better for the neighborhood is a matter of opinion like most of these things. You’ll find people out there that think having the hookers on Nebraska make the neighborhood better. People always seem to get hung up on their way is the only way, but when we live in a community it is all about working together to find a solution not shoving one idea down everyone else’s throat.
Fifer’s blog has post about HTNA issue. Is HTNA able to be more than a critic?
65 – Actually, I have ask Shawn about how this impacts the OSHNA members and their pending efforts as it relates to the lake. He at this point has questions in to the city – Shannon Edge Director, Office of Neighborhood and Community Relations. As of yesterday, there has been no response to those questions from her office. I have also sent an e-mail as a resident of the neighborhood and the “new” association and I have had no replies.
I think at this point, they are over dealing with the drama of HTNA and will avoid being pulled back in as they know this is not a storm that will die down any time soon.
and the hoot owls chased the chickens….
Why would the residents of Hampton Terrace request elections ??
OSHNA has only 3 elected board members !
6 board members were hand-picked friends !
OSHNA has NO RIGHT to tell anyone about runnning an election. Not after the BS with this years’ election.
OSHNA’s first board was hand-picked, just as the newly-formed HTNA, seems fair to me.
’scuse me while I HURL!
65, were someone to knock on WW’s door to ask what committee they could help out with ….. what would HTNA prez have to say? The committe of “no change”? The committee of non-communication? or the committee of “leave the trash in tha lake”?
HTNA is a complete fraud. If you live in HT, call Shannon Edge and complain. She needs to hear the truth.
#78 –Not sure the city thinks we can handle the “truth”, but I say give it a shot. Call and email frequently. Tell your neighbors to call. I’ve been told the office is having a hard time keeping up with the volume. Insist on a public forum to bring the “truth” out . HTNA has been hidng in plain sight far too long. Rather than criticizing every effort of the active people in this neighborhood, let them stand up and show some leadership and reveal their intensions.
Call today ,use the email, and encourage you neighbors to use it as well. If ever there were a turning point in this neighborhood, this is it. Don’t let apathy ruin the potential of this part of Seminole Heights. Silence = Decline
Shannon Edge ( Neighborhood Liaison to the Mayors Office)
(813) 274-7835
shannon.edge@tampagov.net
The majority spoke, deal with it.
I’m not sure the city thinks we can handle the “truth”, however I say give a try. Call today or email frequently. I’ve heard that Shannon’s offfice is swamped. It’s time we insist on a public forum to have this HTNA step up and show us their leadership skills. They have been hiding in plain sight for much too long and the time has come for them to give our citizens the opportunity to ask them guestions and dispel all the rumors.
Please call or email Shannon Edge (Neighborhood Liaison to the Mayor)
(813) 274-7835
shannon.edge@tampagov.net
If ever there were a turning point in Hampton Terrace this has to be it. Don’t let apathy stop the improvements we have experienced for decades Silence = Decline. Call now, let your thoughts be known.
I, for one, welcome our new reptilian over-lords.
Fark much?
Will HTNA be setting up a recruiting table at the Seminole Heights Fresh Market this coming Sunday? Are they sponsors? What a great opportunity to meet our new Leaders.
Are those “Aftershocks ” I’m feeling here in Hampton Terrace? Yes, I think we’re getting aftershocks. SF 9+ Hold on!!!
HTNA – NOT SO FAST
When you found an organization you have interum officers until elections can be held. Scares me To hear HTNA board thinks they are entitled to hold their new positions without elections for years.
Sounds like Moscow or Bejing or Havana.
The city isn’t going to go for that. Are they afraid that their petition signers won’t turn out to support them?
HTNA support is only as deep as the petition. Their leaders are too chicken to test that support in elections!
What a farce
Sounds like a consortium. Oops I mean a canundrum. So you sow so you shall reap.
Anon 6:45
“The majority spoke”? You can only claim a “majority” if all residents were informed.
How do you explain intentionally leaving HT residents who are OSHNA members out of this process? Knocking on people’s doors, asking if they are OSHNA members, and then walking away doesn’t constitute informing members of your desire to secede from OSH.
Remember the trasparency you preached at OSHNA? Where is yours?
53% of the residents within the borders is a majority no matter who was asked. That’s simple math. 53% of the residents either want no part of OSHNA, or don’t really care enough about what NA represents them to have an opinion. That’s over half. That is a majority. It doesn’t matter if the process was selective or random. Granted, there’s a chance if this had hit them over the head and they weren’t too busy posturing, that the poo-poos might have realized that there was a grassroots movement afoot and actually did something like talk to the residents. But then it would have just been a propaganda battle who could sway more of the disinterested and apathetic. But that didnt happen. It is what it is. You can piss and moan on the blog about the process or you can be active in making your own changes. Your choice, but let’s not argue about the majority, that is an indisputable fact. Over half of your neighbors chose this course. As someone mentioned before, OSHNA has only itself to blame for this result. So where do you go from here?
WOW 90 – some low lifes sneak around, live, deceive and harass people into signing a piece of paper, and you call it a grassroots movement? You must work for ACORN.
And there you have it folks, cowardly name calling and accusations of impropriety and threats. That’s the kind of folks OSHNA can field. As always, not addressing the issue, discussing the facts, or working towards a solution, just more harping and sour grapes. And you wonder how HTNA took hold. Posters like 91 are the one’s who claim to speak for the neighborhood. No thanks. I’d rather speak for myself or not speak at all.
92 – so you have no problem when OSHNA is called every name in the book? Where did 91 claim to speak for the neighborhood? I don’t see any name calling. Maybe you should address the issue and not be so sensitive, you poo poo.
BTW – HTNA took hold through lies and subversion.
Every name in the book eh? You mean like a recently appointed board member calling a sitting board member A$$hole in a public meeting? Those kinds of names? That potty mouth’s middle initial wouldn’t happen to be O would it?
Save your breath 94, there’s one or two nasty little posters that repeat the same thing over and over. If we ignore them, they’ll go away.
Can you guys just move on already???????
Petty, juvenile 3rd grade antics. I’ll bet you could not even sit in the same back seat together – could you?
Is it true that HTNA supports “NO Changes” in the Lake Roberta area?
Why has the Save Lake Roberta committee seen the need to form and meet regularly? Why apply for grants, if it’s OK the way it is? Why do we hear so many complaints about invasive vegetation, scummy oiley films, abundant litter, concrete rubble dumped in lake bottom, foul smells, collapsing spillways, our pedestrians having to walk in the street and many more issues?
These issues are being investigated and solutions are being sought by the concerned members of this volunteer committee and many levels of support are being enlisted.
Who wants in “left alone”? HTNA founding members support the “No Change” policy. Not me!!
97-you don’t know that for a fact so Shut-Up !
nice way to play 98. So shut up yourself.
Juvenile. And you all pretend to be adults
#98- That may be true, because the HTNA does not communicate their policies publically. Perhaps some of the residents that were approached for signatures could let us know their policies. Many of the citizens in HT have never even had a conversation with the group. So far I’m only hearing about projects they are opposed to, not presenting any new ideas of how to improve the neighborhood (Other than No Change). Can someone from that camp fill us in.?
Guess HTNA has no reply to #101
I hear OSHNA has hired the neighborhood bullies (i mean attorneys) again.
Some neighorhood assn, we have. I suppose Mr. Hicks is picking-up right where Mr. Harmon left-off !
The individuals who are concerned should hire the attorney on their own dime. We as OSHNA members don’t care if Shawn or other other people who live in Hampton Terrace are or are not eligible to be part of OSHNA. If you live in Hampton Terrace and find out that you can’t be part of OSHNA from the city and you want to be part of it then hire the attorney on your own dime. We OSHNA members are tired of our coffers being sucked dry by attorneys.
If Mr. Warren’s posts herein are any indication as to his leadership abilities, at this point, I am not confident in HTNA’s abilities. The “naysayers with their pants down, get over it” attitude will not win support and confidence from the neighborhood residents. If his reasons for succession from OSHNA carry any validity and are not simply limited to the LHD matter (which I must say my family does support) those reasons must be presented logically, free from personal attack, and presented to all residents of Hampton Terrace. If HTNA is to be a real neighborhood association it will have to work with OSHNA as it is the largest, most recognized association in the area. No doubt their efforts will at some point overlap. It is beyond naïve to believe that running away from OSHNA will cure the rift that exists between the neighbors of HT. The rift is going to exist until HTNA makes the needed overtures (and, yes, it is their job to reach out – they are the “new” association and, as such, have an obligation to do whatever necessary to make their organization effective) and presents itself as more than argumentative.
Through news received from OSHNA, I have known of HTPRO’s efforts for some time. I did not; however, realize that they had presented their petition to the City and claimed it representative of the entire area’s desires. If HTNA intends to have the true interests in the neighborhood – including their actions’ impact on my property’s value and the neighborhood’s physical conditions (and being forced to see Ms. Davis’ boat repair shop every day on my way to and from the neighborhood does not alleviate my fears about the condition she thinks is appropriate for the neighborhood’s properties) — at heart, then Mr. Warren must publicly present the plan that he and Mr. Kwid and Ms. Davis have created as soon as possible. Otherwise, the message being sent is that they are not concerned with anything more than succession for personal interests. True or not – that is the message sent. Having already stated that they have known that the city was about to approve their petition for weeks, a plan should have already been in place to at least present the necessary contact information as well as a forum for questions and answers.
Until contact is made with all the residents, including those not chosen to be part of the petition signing efforts, HTNA will appear to be nothing more than a tantrum run amuck.
Assuming said posts are by Mr. Warren. That’s a lot of assuming, and well y’all know what they say about assuming. How about you approach Mr. Warren, Mr. Kwid, and Mrs. Davis, their whereabouts are no secret.
As an HT homeowner #105, I concur.
You make many well stated and rational observations that reflect the collective concerns of quite a few of us.
Not everyone 105/107. As an HT homeowner myself, I signed the petition. Not happy with the current association, looking forward to our own representation, thank-you very much! As a side note; the personal attacks against our neighbors don’t help your case. Very juvenal and degrading to OSHNA.
106 We, the neighborhood, should approach the new self-appointed officers?
#109 – Y
Hey 109,
You seem to have no problem with the self-appointed officers of OSHNA, why ??
Only 3 board members were elected to the current OSHNA board. The other six are appointments, same as the HTNA.
111 – that is a pretty bad reach and shows a lack of understanding. 4 OSHNA members stepped down. There had to be appointments. HTNA is fighting the city because they do not want to do the right thing and have ANY elections. Warren, Kwid and Davis want to make decisions on part of HT based on their personal agenda.
I find it extremely frustrating that Shannon Edge, on behalf of the city, decided to acknowledge the HTNA without any form of hearing, forum or public input. While Shannon is sweet, she has no clue about the politics within the neighborhood. Does she know the motives for Mr Warren and Ms Davis? I feel that there MUST be a time frame put on when Elections will be held. Don’t they have to have bylaws established before being formerly recognized by the city? Where is this copy? Seems like Shannon may have acted wrecklessly and prematurely.
There are bylaws and those bylaws require elections every two years (which is not what most associations do, but also not unheard of). Since HTNA was incorporated about a year ago, that means elections wll have to occur within a year. Nothing in the city’s neighborhood guidelines conflicts with HTNA’s bylaws. Give them a year’s worth of rope. They will either hang themselves or be worthy of re-election. In the meantime I guess HTNA’s attention will be focused on defending themselves against the OSHNA lawyers instead of moving forward with their association.
Had OSHNA ever hired an attorney before last year’s SHF debacle? Seems like a threat and sue happy bunch to me.
We can find 2 year election cycles with more than one neighborhood organization right here in Seminole Heights, and many incorporated HOA’s have elections only “when needed” such as when an officer dies or quits. Shannon acted within the guidelines of the City of Tampa.
Here again we see OSHNA and the cheerleaders selectively choosing to raise concerns with those guidelines only when it suits their agenda. Throw them out the window when they’re writing OSHNA bylaws, but now raise a stink about Shannon’s handling of the HTNA situation. The big question is, will OSHNA have any credibility with the City left if they haven’t lost all of it already?
By their own admittance, HTNA has had plenty of time to get organized. It’s difficult to interpret this new development as anything other than a distraction or delay of activities that have been implemented by locals in effort to improve or protect their own neighborhood. It’s difficult to see the delays that are now being estimated in the years as anything other than anti-productive. It will be the task of those who feel similarly to let the city know that these sentiments do not represent the majority of this section of Seminole Heights.
Who is representing OSHNA at these meetings with the City? They do not have a legally elected President. The elected Vice President refused to serve, which is a violation of the bylaws. When is some one going to hire lawyers to take the association to court and force the rules to be followed?
What so many fail to realize is the only real winners in these actions are the lawyers, they get paid either way.
I think the attorneys stepped into the picture when the city ignored to release info after 2 requests from OSHNA. it’s a shame that such a radical change can happen and the city will not inform those that are impacted and have to be threatened with a lawsuit to release the pertinent information.
Oh, so you mean when requests for information that should be available, such as under Florida statute, are denied, then an attorney is justifiable? Seems Fifer was crucified for even proposing just such an action. I get it now. Thanks for the clarification.
Well, I’m glad at least all the warring factions held off during the Sunday Market. It was a great time and an event to bring us back toward being a neighborhood. I look forward to many more.
I agree with you 119. I think this is one time that attorneys are justified. The city will not enforce code issues due to fear of legal actions. This time we can beat them at their own game. The current administration has always been on the wrong side. With code they protect the violator while neighbors suffer. With regards to HTNA, we were never approached to sign a petition, nor was I informed of effort to push this through. I am assuming the cherry picked the doors to knock and targeted homes that are not active, will not be active and could careless.
Yes, I knew there were rumors of HTNA, but believed them to be rumors and if they were to come true the city would notify residents, hearings would be held, etc. I, as did others, felt that if that were the case ample time would be give to educate neighbors, etc. Shannon really flubbed this up and now needs to fix this mess. I will support legal action as this has an impact on my property value.
Worse case scenario… lets say the HTNA stands. I feel we should have elections within 90 days. If Mr Warren and Ms Davis feel they can automatically step into this role with no formal elections, I personally will seek legal action.
FYI: I had email correspondence with big blue regarding HTNA. The response I got was that an “email had gone out to Mr Warren congratulating him on his efforts and inviting him to write a welcome letter, outline or mission to welcome neighbors and explain the role of HTNA” As of Friday the blogger had not received any correspondence from Mr Warren. Not sure if I would bet on that horse. Appreciate the bloggers efforts to keep all informed.
# 119,
I believe OSHNA has been aware about HTNA, for more than 1 year. And, the City of Tampa notified OSHNA. However, OSHNA has not made it’s members aware of the request of HTNA becoming a recognized neighrborhood assn.
So why would OSHNA not make it’s members aware ??
OSHNA board members in Hampton Terrace knew HTNA was in the works. They ignored. They misled their fellow Hampton Terrace neighbors as well. But seriously, there is no excuse for anyone in Hampton Terrace to claim they did not know. That is just a huge case of denial or an outright lie.
What it is is an attempt to deflect the issue and provide an excuse to personally attack those involved. We all know how the OSHNA board loves to vilify people who don’t think like they do.
Why don’t some of you HTNA peeps posting here answer some of the real questions and take ownership for actions?
I bet they take the same stance the OSHNA Board takes – no comment.
That’s original.
I love Seminole Heights because of the people, the friends I have made, the new places to hang out…I hate Seminole Heights because if anyone reads this blog none of us will be able to sell our homes!! You people are all crazy–get a life! Stop bickering and lets have some porch parties! I don’t care which neighborhood you live in or which one I live in–most of us dont, but if you people don’t sop this insanity you are going to ruin all of our home values. People in the world are dying and starving and have no homes, we are all lucky! Get over it and channel that energy into a fundraiser for someone other than yourself. Just a little advise!
Anon. #130 LET’S HAVE A PORCH PARTY. THAT’S IT . THAT’LL FIX EVRYTHNG!!!
I’m assuming #130 is a troll but I’ll bite anyway.
If you can’t sell your homes it isn’t because of anything on this blog.
Someone who lets an anonymous blog sway their decision on picking a neighborhood or purchasing a home has a lot of other issues. I think our home values are safe at least from this influence. I’ll agree with the get over it suggestion, but I think worrying about this bit of local flavor is misdirected energy. Google “tampa’s backdoor ways” for a blog about Tampa. If anyone read that, they’d never even move to this part of the state.
One thing Seminole Heights has long been known for is passionate neighborhood activism. Sometimes those passions find outlets that aren’t necessarily positive and the strong personalities often lead to strong disagreements. Even with all the issues, and no matter the side, I’m glad that these neighbors are almost always working towards the betterment of our neighborhood.
The letter from Shannon was sent on 4 February which officially recognized Hampton Terrace Neighborhood Association. As recognized by the city of Tampa, HTNA is a newly formed neighborhood association that is barely 10 days old. While the frustration of those activist who see their projects in limbo is understandable, it’s also understandable that it may take this new HTNA a while to get their feet under them and get things up and running. Websites, newsletters, and whatnots don’t happen overnight.
…Could HTNA have been better prepared? Not arguing that. Even a notice to residents that simply sez “HTNA – under construction” would have been better than silence. However, it’s possible that this came to them as a surprise also. They been working toward this for years and it must have seem like a Sisyphean task with nothing but an eternity of frustration ahead of them… but they persevered nonetheless. Sometimes when the long journey is arduous and seems never-ending, the arrival at one’s destination can be abrupt and catch the traveler unaware.
…Could residents of HT have better prepared themselves and seen the writing on the wall?
It seems so. However, life is full of surprises even for the best prepared. Agree #133 that SH is known for passionate activism. That can be said of neighbors on both sides of the HTNA issue.
…Both sides: Have some compassion and patience. Be positive and cooperative. It’s a new world that needs nurturing. Attacking and vilifying each other is not helping to make the best of things..
-not unless you want it to resemble OSHNA of 2009.
Justin Aubserver (not a resident of HT)
I can’t imagine why HTNA should need any more than 30 days to arrange for the “stockholders meeting” required by the city. We deserve the right to be governed by those we have voted into office. Not a mutiny to the likes of this.
If HTNA is a viable association, why don’t we stop talking about what OSHNA has or hasn’t done? Does the SE Seminole Heights Association constantly rail against OSHNA and voice personal attacks on its members? It is possible for HT to have its own association and still be part of the greater area efforts. Although some people thrive on conflict (let’s be honest – some do) most residents find the neighborhood bickering and back-stabbing offensive and if it does not stop, HT will be no better off – regardless of what the neighborhood association calls itself.
Taking the comments made on this forum as a whole, it appears that the residents of HT only want some information at this point. Many people were never approached by this group and are unaware of who the people are that have chosen to speak for the area. (Yes, I’m sure that a “majority” of residents signed the infamous petition; however, that leaves 49% of us that were not contacted and have no substantial information about the efforts of HTPRO / HTNA.)
The crux of the issue is this: we are all adults who care about the area in which we live and have invested; no one likes being deceived; no one likes decisions made for them. No one is going to support a brand-new association, run by self-appointed people without evidence of a plan. It is much like a business wherein you don’t incorporate without a pre-developed business plan. I think residents want some assurances that there IS a plan, that they will have a voice, and that the things that we enjoy in this area (the aesthetics, safety, and value of our neighborhood) have not just been given into the hands of unprepared amateurs.
If anyone has contact information for the new founders, please post it herein. While I believe it is ludicrous to think that the residents are responsible for locating those who have positioned themselves to speak for all HT residents, perhaps it is the best or only way to determine for ourselves whether or not HTNA is genuine.
136 – Your third paragraph had me rolling on the floor. Those who have been watching the whole OSHNA/SHF/HTNA mess will know why.
Does anyone actually believe Wesley Warren, Gail Davis or Kwid want to do anything positive for HT? Everyone involved knows they only have one goal, and that is to prevent Hampton Terrace from becoming a Local Histoic District.
and stopping any improvements with Lake Roberta.
If you wish to contact Wesley Warren, his email is posted on the letter from Shannon Edge’s office at he beginning of this thread.
#136 As a resident of OSH but NOT of HT, I find your comments amusing. My section of SH gets NO information from OSHNA regarding meetings, etc. We see NO plan. coming from OSHNA. Yes, many of us have asked. Decisions are made for us and we are not allowed input. (Committee members now must be handpicked by the committee chair). No meeting notices are posted. Who even knows what committees exist? I would expect the residents of HT to love OSHNA. Vrtually all themoney OSHNA has spent in the last 5-10 years has been spent on HT. Nothing has gone to the local hsitoric distric, the area W. of Florida, Evelyn City, Joshia Richardson, etc. Some residents of OSH aren’t even allowed to voice an opinion or attend a meeting – try Randy, Susan and Christie. Your complaints about HTNA could well be lodged against OSHNA.
OSHNA has existed for 2 years and HTNA has existed for a couple for weeks. Seems to me that in 20 years we’ll see where HTNA is and then decide how wonderful (or awful) it is.
#141- Sorry you don’t have any activists in your area.
#141 Perhaps you are correct and my concerns about HTNA could be lodged against OSHNA — I was not commenting on OSHNA’s ability to communicate effectively and believe I only mentioned the organization once in my post.
My intent is not to compare how well OSHNA communicates vs. how well HTNA has communicated in its first few weeks. My post was intended to express concern about HTNA’s communication efforts as they stand on their own. People are already divided over this issue and will remain so as long as there is no information available on which to base a decision of whether or not to support HTNA. How can the neighborhood rally around a new initiative when the only evidence anyone has of its existence is in a copy of a letter? I am not asking for the anything extraordinary — I only want to know who these organizers are and what type of plan they have. Apparently, I will have to contact Mr. Warren and locate the others to find that information and I will do so. Likewise, if you are in need of information from OSHNA, you might wish to contact their board members directly.
Cry me a river 141.
142 – I think I know who 141 is and, believe me, they have plenty of activists in that area. They are just not OSHNA-approved activists. Then again, they are activists who have actually done some good for the neighborhood, which puts them miles ahead of OSHNA.
I live in HT and got my notice today that HTNA is indeed having a meeting on March 7 for all HT residents to attend. This is called a meet & greet picnic…..they plan to feed us hot dogs & sodas and give us the opportunity to formally join.
#146 Is this a “meeting” or a “social”?
They are calling it a “meet and greet” picnic. But the letter also alludes to answering questions.
I guess the blogger never got an email back from Wesley. Cant figure out the shroud of secrecy. didnt they see what that got OSHNA last year. I guess it must come with all the officers that live within HT.
Free Hot Dogs? Incredible. Can’t believe my eyes. Free Soda? Unbelievable!! Still not voting for WW,JK, or GD., but thanks for the free grubb.
What’s becoming obvious to most of us outside HT watching this spectacle, no matter what, they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Y’all just want to gripe. They announce they’re holding an information session and still the attacks come. I wish I could say I was surprised.
How much does it cost to join? Where is the event to take place? I can’t think of any suitable place in HT to have such a gathering, but I think we could have such a community event and many others at Lake Roberta if it were to be developed properly. How does HTNA weigh in on a community supported ,pedestrian friendly environment that could be used to bring this diveded neighborhood together once more? At present ,HT has no such venue to have meetings or events such as these. Traveling to surrounding neighborhoods to gather does not have to happen. We have a historic lake in the center of our neighborhood and it is a shame to allow this once natural resource go another year without improving it and encouraging the community to adopt a healthier life style by walking ,jogging, strolling, and enjoying life around this focal point.
Article in Tampa Trib in re this thread:
http://centraltampa2.tbo.com/content/2010/feb/17/st-homeowners-form-group/
Hello,
I have read all the post and I have a headache…lol. Can someone send me a website where I can be informed. I currently work for the government and am out of the country for a year or more. I will be returning to my home in HT and currently have renters. I would like to know what is still going on with HT because I will continue to live here.
I remember a guy coming to my house trying to get me to sign a paper saying that I will not be able to add onto my house if it is zoned locally historic. It was not for a separate association. I also remember getting a letter in the mail to check yes or no for locally historic. That is all that I received.
Candy
So. What has HTNA accomplished since it’s inception?
Nothing that I’m aware of. Has anyone noticed any accomplishments other than a nice picture of a rocking chair on a porch?
They successfully avoided the “Friends of Lake Roberta” kid’s event and parents picnic a few weekends back.
As a paid member of HTNA, since it’s inception, with full voting rights, I am proud to say that HTNA has acoomplished the following since it’s formation:
1) the extinguishing of the lights at the Hampton Terrace entrance signage @ Nebraska/Clifton/Roberta Cir.
2) the e-mailing of two (maybe three) e-mails announcing free events in the OSH greater neighborhood.
even though I am not a HTNA fan, it must be noted that OSHNA allowed the electric to be turned off when the dedicated funding ran out. the lighting account was set up, from the beginning, to be paid for by the residents of HT. They stopped donating/paying and the lights went out. HTNA has made no effort to have the account reinstated. They have though had a table set up – compliments of Gail – at the Lowery Park band series that all HT members were invited to – relevant to the neighborhood……NOT – just like HTNA.
We will all miss the pro-active leadership style of the HTNA officers and it will difficult to find replacements for this dynamic trio. Their accomplishments will no doubt leave an imprint on the Hampton Terrace Community.
As a member of OSHNA, Hampton Terrace has been the source of many problems.
The lighting of the sign was never to paid by OSHNA. It was to be paid by the wonderful
residents of Hampton Terrace, so it’s a bit off-base to blame HTNA. Last year the OSHNA board approved (July ‘09) monies to repair the sign and Jeff Harmon had a client who was going to repair the sign. Has this work been completed ?
As far as HTNA is concerned they would be doing just fine if Evan & Shawn would accept HTNA.
And, the City of Tampa has made a complete mess of the formation of HTNA. The City should support their decision to allow HTNA or they should have never allowed HTNA to form.
All the interference from OSHNA has prevented HTNA to accomplish anything! I’m sure you remember all the interference Jeff Harmon was getting and he said all he was doing is fighting a battle with those who disagreed. The same is true for Wesley Warren & Jim Kwid.
In the end I think the HTNA will be settled and the formation of HTNA will stand.
And, in the end I know there will be plenty of issues in Hampton Terrace as there has been!
Hampton Terrace should have their own neighborhood association. OSHNA has spent to much time & money on Hampton Terrace. And OSHNA covers too much area, which they can’t cover effectively.
Was at 3 coins this morning for breakfast and there was a large group in the corner booth behind us talking about HTNA. Overheard them saying that as of tomorrow the HTNA group will not be recognized. Is this true? What happens to our neighborhood? Do we have an association? They were organizing a meeting with somebody with the city to submit paperwork and form an association. Is is true that HTNA no longer exist? Why did they pull us from OSH if they weren’t going to follow through? Who is leading this new group? Can someone please inform us? Can we have a city sponsored meeting to see if we can get enough support to go back to OSHNA?
So who was in this large group you overheard? Did you recognize anyone?
Shannon Edge, office of neighborhood relations, noticed HTNA, from the start, that a general meeting and an election needed to be held by May 17th for the association to be formally, officially recognized. If those events did not transpire then the recognition will be void and the neighborhood would then be without an official city recognized association.
After HTNA expires on Monday then it will be fair game for any other group to step forward to begin the process of starting a new association – I would assume that is the portion of the conversation head at 3 Coins this am.
161. How has OSHNA stopped the officers of HTNA from holding a general meeting or scheduling elections? That directive has been out there since day one when conversations started with the office of neighborhood relations – it wasn’t just sprung on them within the last 60 days. I believe the city even offered to pay for the mailing of the notice of the general meeting and were turned down flat by HTNA……so who is to blame for no forward progress?
I believe if you ask any of the paid HTNA members they have had no information provided to them as members of the “worthy” organization.
165- The info from day ONE didn’t include an election, day one was a couple of years ago!
Yes, a letter from the city dated Feb 3, 2010 spoke of elections(with no deadline). Then a letter after Shawn & Evan’s visit with Ms. Edge, gave a deadline.
Tell me this do you think it’s fair that all stakeholders get to vote, without paying for a membership in HTNA?
And, at the same time our wonderful leaders of OSHNA are discriminating against 50% of the stakeholders in OSHNA (business owners & property owners) from being able to become VOTING members of OSHNA.
I suppose you think this makes OSHNA “WORTHY”, to use your words??
The truth is OSHNA can’t WIN unless they play by a different set of rules!
I’m just HAPPY I don’t live in Hampton Terrace.
#166- Do I think it’s fair? Yes!
Where did you get this 50% figure? I think that’s way off. IMHO
We’re glad you don’t live in Hampton Terrace as well.
166 As a “new” association I do feel it is fair for “ALL” residents to have a say in the initial set up of the “NEW” organization. If residents are vested enough to come and be a part of a fair election process I feel confident that paid memberships would soon follow.
OSHNA restricting the vote to members for an organization that is 20+ yrs old and has a track record upon which a potential member can decide to join or not is an apples and oranges comparison for limiting a vote.
If HTNA wants to limit the vote to paid members in subsequent years they by all means go for it but not at inception utilizing bylaws that no-one in the neighborhood had any public input into regarding the creation thereof. It smells from the start. Weather or not you agree with the proposed OSHNA bylaws changes there has been public input unlike the HTNA process.
BTY, you seem awfully vested in the details of the process to not live in Hampton Terrace…..something smells again…..
Your RIGHT, something smells ………….it’s the HAMPTONITES of Hampton Terrace !
Two sets of rules ~ The set I like & the set everyone else has to use.
Let’s try to be fair …the City of Tampa defines Stakeholders as:
hownersowners, business owners, property owners & renters.
Seems like a good standard to me !
Your thoughts Hampton Terrace.
PS- I think everyone in Hampton Terrace should be able to VOTE as well, I just think if
you care enough about Hampton Terrace you should be able to FORK OVER $10.00.
A small price to pay to have your VOTE COUNT.
The public input in the OSHAN bylaw revisions you speak of is BullShit. Only the bylaws committee and/or perhaps the board of directors thinks it’s a wonderful idea/concept to exclude Business owners & Property owners. Furthermore, if you cared about your neighborhood you wouldn’t exclude anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The discrimination of OSHNA is WRONG – PERIOD ! One would think that living in such a diverse community, we would discourage discrimination. However, here we are.
I’m vested in FAIRNESS and I think it’s a good thing to treat people equally.
Is there anyone who still thinks Jim Qwid, Wesley Warren or Gail Davis care about anything other then forcing their self centered opinions upon the residents of HT? It’s safe to say, these three people hate sunshine.
It’s safe to say there is a whole lot of hate’in folks in this neighborhood. Pathetic and Sad !
168 – When they were first formed, was OSHNA, or any other neighborhood association, required to allow all “stakeholders” to vote regardless of membership?
The problem I have is that HTNA is a legally incorporated entity that has it’s own articles and bylaws. The officers of this legally formed corporation went to the city and asked what they would need to do to be recognized by the city on the neighborhood registry. Because the area was already covered by OSHNA in the registry, the city said that HTNA needed to get the signatures of 50% plus one of the property owners in HT on a petition to support HTNA representing HT instead of OSHNA. They did that and the signatures were checked by the city.
Once that happened, HTNA should have been subject to the same requirements of city’s the Neighborhood Guidelines as any other association. Under the section “Meeting Requirements”, those guidelines require:
“Bylaws must provide for regular meetings. A general Neighborhood Association meeting must occur at a minimum of twice per year with notice to elect a Board of Directors. Neighborhood Associations are encouraged to hold open meetings and maintain public records. As availability permits, it is preferred that your City of Tampa neighborhood liaison attends at least one meeting per year to continue a healthy relationship with the City of Tampa.”
So under the guidelines, HTNA’s bylaws must provide for at least two general meetings per year with notice to elect a board of directors. That is it. If HTNA’s bylaws provide for that, it should be end of story.
Instead, after a meeting between Shawn Hicks, Evan St Ives and Shannon Edge, the rules changed. Clearly the OSHNA board was pissed and allegedly made representations to the city that the people who signed the petiton were not fully informed, or were outright lied to, when the made their decision to sign. Hence the unprecedented action for the city to tell HTNA when and how to run their election when their bylaws satisfy all requirements for recognition. Instead of the year that everyone else gets, HTNA now had a mere 90 days for their two meetings and election.
Whatever you may think of the current HTNA officers, the fact is they did everything that the city asked to get initial recognition. Once that recognition was granted, they should have the same requirements that any other association has. And just plain fairness would seem to dictate that they should be give longer than 90 days to show what they can do, especially when that time is dominated with this battle with OSHNA and the requirement to organize two meetings and an election. Given the same time that all other associations get, HTNA might surprise some people. And if they don’t, then at that point they certainly can’t complain that they were treated unfairly.
# 168 – 166 here …. I agree something smells ~ and I agree everyone in Hampton Terrace should be able to vote. They should care enough about their neighborhood to join HTNA and pay the
$ 10.00 fee. HTNA & OSHNA are corporations governed by the State as such they have the right to charge membership fees. And, the City of Tampa is out of bounds when they state otherwise.
As for your discriminating stance regarding OSHNA that doesn’t surprise me or maybe it does??
OSHNA should be open to the same stakeholders every neighborhood association is required to include. I would think that anyone your cares about their neighborhood would want everyone to participate. However, I realize we are talking about Hampton Terrace.
NO organization should be allowed to discriminate. One would think with the diverse community we live in, you wouldn’t think discrimination is ok. However, I realize we are talking about Hampton Terrace.
# 171 – Well Said !
Factually correct information. You sound like a fair person, Old Seminole Heights needs more fair thinkers!
Thanks.
# 167
Stakeholders:
1) homeowners
2) property owners
3) business owners
4) renters
4 groups of stakeholders minus 2 = 2 or 50%
Understanding math – FREE……….understanding neighborhood associations – PRICELESS
The real point is OSHNA should be open to ALL STAKEHOLDERS !
Just like every other neighborohood assn. in Tampa.
173 Actually, if you look at the filing of their organization with the state it was 4/20/2009 so technically they have had more than a year to prepare and have two general meetings and or elections so the May 15th date given by the city as a deadline is over one year in time. Additionally, the city provided the opportunity to assist and also mail meeting notices for HTNA – notices paid for from the city coffers not the pockets of HTNA and they stated they were not interested in the city’s assistance. Kinda let’s the air out of your argument that they were overwhelmed by OSHNA. None of that group is naive and knew what they were stepping into. They hired an attorney to go and argue about the local historic district work plan.
Actually, speaking of bylaws I believe that HTNA’s specifically say there will not be elections until the end of the second year – a direct conflict with the requirements of the city.
So to give your argument any weight then we will ignore the discussion of “stakeholders” or members verses non-members – regardless, the opportunity to hold the meeting for any voting members has been out there for a year + since their incorporation with the state and nothing has happened. Period. and actually I think it is one meeting for the purpose of nominations and then a meeting for elections – not really very arduous requirements for validation.
158 & 159:
As neither a HTNA nor an OSHNA fan, but a HT resident, I wish the example of the HT lights going out would stop coming up.
159 is correct that OSHNA stopped paying because the neighborhood supposedly didn’t contribute funds, but letting the lights go out was just a political play by OSHNA to snub their noses at HTNA.
How many HT residents knew the funds were low – and how low? How were they advised?
If OSHNA wanted to raise funds for this purpose, how difficult would it really be?
There’s approximately 1 bungalow alert a week. It seems like that would have been a direct way to have residents know money was needed for the sign, right? The last Bungalow Alert that mentioned Hampton Terrace was 9.28.09 – notification about the HPC Special Public Hearing.
Considering OSHNA keeps trying to bring HT back into the fold, they could have looked out for the HT residents a little more instead of playing silly political games.
Yes indeed 171& 173. I agree and appreciate the facts. Sick of the mud slinging hate mongering towards others who want to split. Let them be for the love of Pete! Stop the Hate!
#174- It appears the only facts that you appreciate are the ones that suit your agenda. Shannon applied the exact same criteria for the Channelside Neighborhood that recently went through a secession attempt much like the one here in SH. When they failed to have two meetings and an election within 90 days the city did precisely what they said they would do. They withdrew the recognition that had been achieved, just like here in SH. Where do you see the big difference? It seems some are attempting a game of pick and choose. HTNA had their chance. End of Story. BTW —-Who’s Pete?
I’m excited to see the May 17th Deadline come and go. While I want a new HT neighborhood association I do not want it with the 3 that’s trying to make it. They are old fashioned, have stale ideas (if any) and want to drag the neighborhood backwards or in the wrong direction. Definitely don’t want to see OSHNA take it back either. There’s not enough space here to list their faults.
There are a couple of decent options. 1) We work to form a new, active group of vested stakeholders as defined by the city, hold two meetings, have an election and move forward. 2) we work with the city and SESH to combine with them. SESHCA has always complained about the small size. Geographically there are many similarities in issues. Look at their corner of the world and the strides they have made. When they had the older lady as president they were rocking and rolling. They have had some major development with more coming. Have the issue of Nebraska, prostitution and Hillsborough. Makes perfect sense. They are established. Have funds to help and are probably the most creative group out of all associations.
Indeed correct 173 – I do believe OSHNA had enough money in the bank to pay
the TECO bill for the “Hampton Terrace” sign.
However, they would rather snub their noses at HTNA. OSHNA at it’s finest!
I know that Jim Kwid tried to get the TECO account info from OSHNA as was given the
run-around.
Perhaps soon the City of Tampa (city atty.) will help with the Hampton Terrace issue, since
their actions help create this mess.
176-
I believe the 1st year the founders of the HTNA were walking the streets for the signatures
it required to establish HTNA. If you started an assn. would you like to have to turn around
and hand it off just as you were getting started.
ANSWER: Is a YES, if you live in Hampton Terrace.
However, I think a reasonably person would like to see some real work begin and hand the organization off after a year or two.
#181- Why would OSHNA want to pay for the HT sign illumination when the funds had been collected from HT residents previously? Why didn’t HTNA reach out to its stake holders to gather funding for the rather small amout needed to light the sign? What runaround are you referring to? OSHNA notifed HTNA that the account for the signs illumination would be terminated and HTNA did nothing to reopen a new account. What’s difficult to understand about that?
182 -
If folks really saw the value these folks were bringing to the organization, I don’t think they’d have a problem getting elected.
In fact, if they were bringing something to the table, I don’t think they’d have any problems achieving the small task of holding a couple of meetings and an election.
When we’re honest about this organization, it’s bound to be “getting started” for a long time with the current “leadership.”
I’d rather see it take off as 180 suggested – with leaders who are interested in making further progress for HT.
Jim Kwid was given the TECO info. Why would OSHNA maintain the deposit and be responsible for the bill if Jim and company want to cut HT from OSHNA. I own rental property and when I buy or have a tenant move out and I go in to clean I call TECO have the account put in my name and pay the bill…..that’s all Jim had to do – call TECO with the address for the sign and have an account opened and a deposit paid – it ain’t rocket science.
Regarding OSHNA letting the lights go out. The board stance was that enough funds had been expended in the HT area of the neighborhood via the construction of the sign so it was not the board’s place to continue to cover the cost while not spending money in the other areas of the neighborhood. If HT residents want the sign lit then they can pay for the bill.
there was no TECO info to get – the OSHNA account was closed and HTNA had to open their own along with fronting a deposit – how simple is that?
180 & 183 -
Since you believe in another leadership join HTNA and make a difference. It doesn’t need to be OSHNA-ran does it?
184-
Who gave Jim Kwid the TECO information? Did OSHNA provide that information to Jim Kwid. I agree HTNA should maintain the “Hampton Terrace” sign in the future, OSHNA has been bothered with the sign issues for too long.
What is the address of the sign? ………… perhaps a meter number may be needed, since there is no property address?
However, if OSHNA provided the information thene the account number was with that info.
And currently who’s name is the sign in – as of today?
I find it amazing the same OSHNA board not reading this blog because of the negativity have no problem spinning negative rantsabout HTNA, especially when I would guess 80% of the homes in Hampton terrace know nothing about this or don’t care. Just that 20% on each side of the HTNA issue duking it out on the blog. Just the OSHNA heads talking out of both sides of their mouth.
#175 is fired as my bookkeeper and no I don’t need any tax help. Where did you learn math or logic. Since when does homeowner not equal property owner. Only in a trailor park.
#189 – please don’t be made @ # 175
The City of Tampa established the stakeholder guidelines.
And furthermore a homeowner is a property owner who lives at that property
vs.
a property owner who rents that property. Thus, renters are considered stakeholders
and as per the City’s guidelines are voting members.
So in the end OSHNA has excluded Property Owners from voting for years!
And, have proposed Bylaw changes that will exclude Business Owners if passed.
So in trailer parks and OSHNA.
PS- I have no interest in completing your taxes ~ Hell I don’t even do my own. Some 80,000
plus pages of tax codes…………….. however the city’s guidelines for neighborhood associations are pretty simple. The City says this of Neighborhood Associations “This autonomous
organization formed by the people within the specifically defined geographic area includes the
homeowners, property owners, renters, and businesses within the defined boundaries.”
Good Night
184 – You are making the assumption Jim Qwid cares about the neighborhood.
186 – This is 183. Seems to me that is the point of wanting an election…
184 & 185 -
which story is TRUE?
194 – they’re not mutually exclusive – both are true.
It’s typically not hard to start new service if the old account has been shut off. So if OSHNA has closed their account like they say, it should be pretty easy for Jim to start new service.
I’m curious as to why that hasn’t happened, but also curious how the new organization would pay for it.
Has OSHNA completed the repairs(Hampton Terrace sign) they agreed to last July ?
The repairs to the HT sign will be discussed at the OSHNA board meeting Tues. night.
while everyone will be quickly jumping on the bandwagon and saying OSHNA should have already taken care of the repairs, yadda, yadda, yadda; we need to recognize that the board is willing to continue the financial commitment made even though they are no longer officially recognized as the neighborhood organization over the HT area.
and no, I’m not a board member or even a current OSHNA member but I do live in HT under the HTNA “non” association.
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